#ooc

mmmm

bias cutting has largely been replaced by spandex or knits, which is why it is less common

but my gut says sometime in the 19th century, for ties

The question came up in the class (1:1, really...). That was my guess too!

well, really, neckties emerge in the 19th century

they're a descendant of the stock & jabot

?

ah

which themselves are from military neckwear, used to cushion the gorget

gorgets stick around for a while as ornamental armor on officers

everyone wears a gorget when fighting live steel at my swordplay guild!

jabots-then-neckcloths are cut on straight of grain, and then wrapped & tied elaborately

no neckties, though

as they should! ⚔️

arguably, we have the focale/sudarium which was a roman neck sweatcloth

though elaborate neckwear really is a product of the 16th century

Which is a by-product of a very modest gathering on the collar of the undershirt

...Shady

Shady, why did it have to be NECKWEAR?

So, anyways

I didn't even talk about bag wigs!

(18th century men would put their queue/ponytail in a little silk bag, then pull the drawstring around their neck as a kind of tie)

Okay. I kind of want to make a redcap noble with that neckwear, but the neckwear is shaped like fangs

Fancy cap!

Now, a LADY redcap would go for some late 18th century french fashion

it was a Thing to wear a scarlet ribbon around one's throat, in reference to the guillotine

they also made little guillotine earrings, and there was a fad for wearing one's hair "a la titus" in the style of the condemned whose hair was shorn to ensure a clean view of their neck

We were talking about sewing on the bias and it being the stretchiest part of fabric and why would ties be made stretchy.....kinda snowballed from there.

ahh

...I really enjoy neckwear

Why ARE ties stretchy?

ties must go around a fairly tight curve, and being on the bias allows them to lay smooth

...... obvious, when you say it that way.

How are you doing, Catnik?

half-assed grading

Should I tempt you with gaming, or as you cloth people say "Get thee behind you, Satin" ? 🙂

Switching comps

back

Gotta leave work in 10, AFK most of the rest of the day with famstuff but will pop in when I can! Home and done NLT.... 7:30?

OKay. 🙂

REALLY SLOW LAGS.....

Or sure, that works too. 😁

heads, Irene has a drawer pull or some other oddity from the last house.