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Open to everyone, but seeded with the folk I know are interested!

I'll be back at somepoint to actually yammer on, still at work now. :)

To get the ball rolling - what do people think about the changes in Kith? Adding Piskie, Selkie, and Clurichaun, and the split between Autumn and Arcadian sidhe?

I love the Arcadian Autumn split on sidhe being official. It works for me, and while Scathach and Liam would be the 'big ones' I know that some of the other houses have a few of their own autumns...and that works. I do wonder about Nockers... almost seems they got knocked down a peg.

The Forging birthright had been screwed with and undercut a LOT in 2nd ed

I actually loathe gemetria, and nobody could say what a "forged" chimera was, or why nocker good were different from boggan or dougal

Some of the House changes surprised me. Gwydion's flaw makes it so you have less chance of poking them until they finally fail that WP roll (WhicH I've seen happen in games) ...but the shift makes them seem less fury prone and more petty. Not sure how I feel about it.

why GET nocker, if they are flawed?

I've heard upset noises about Inanimae and how they've been 'ruined' but I don't know them well enough to comment

I DO agree that it seems that Pooka have been given too much of a flaw - to tell the truth, it's a WP spend AND a roll. The other similar flaws are either or, not both.

I haven't looked enoough in that section. The big complaint is they only unleash now, no sliver cantrips?

I also dislike how the sluagh birthright was weakened

Which?

senses

-1 instead of -2 diff on perception

I would say that it was maybe a little strong before. Especially when you factor in what is almost another birthright in itself, the whole 'sluagh community, all for one' thing that some folk lean very heavily on

(work!)

Yeah. KB sluagh tried to create some Court vs Court conflict but that went over like a lead pipe for many

I DO NOT BELIEVE IN SLOO MAFIA

I think overall most of the Birthrights got reduced a little, so mostly even nothing I can't work with.

I like the idea trolls get bonsues depending on how many oaths! encouraes them to take some

I do love autumn sidhe

Not sure how I feel about new Liam birthright. need to read more on nightmare dice

Oh, And Aesin are playable now! Thank the dreaming. That old flaw sucked and made no sense. "Here we have a redcap born of nightmares... here we have a sidhe..let's see which one makes a better leader ...oh, Aesin? The cap."

Me too. I always ignored the nightmare stuff before

I hate that the leanhuan are less... well..

their flaw DID make them fundamentally evil

I'm not crazy about Borg Dougal, but others I trust love it so 🙂

Did I miss something in House Varich? I was just glancing over the houses, but I thought I didn't see any mention of Sluagh this time

It is brief, but there

At least that challenge or wither thing is gone

Catnik- the leanhaun flaw pretty much made them great NPCs/ antagonists but almost impossible for PCs. This made it less impossible. :) they might still have just as bad a rep and be ASSUMED to do things the evil way!

I think it would be interesting if there was some in lore reason it got reduced since the turn of the century. Maybe a Seellie Leanhaun gave his life trying to find a cure, or a Liam tried to correct the curse.

Yeah. And, see, i think certain houses just are made to be antagonists, not PCs

SC in general, Balor and Leanhuan and Aesin

True, and if we were in a tabletop game with a decent ST, we could control that...

Ailil seem very playable

If still prone to douchebaggery

Like Gwydion ;)

they are prone to awesomesauce No biases here

And is it wrong I LOVE that the Shadow Court has gotten out of control from the three Shadow Houses?

"Let's invite a few Thallian.. ops... 9-11!... incoming... well, sure they'll obe...oh #####"

hehehehehehe

I just have this delighted image of some Ailil showing up to an Eiluned hold going "You'll never believe what the Balor did.." And the Eiluned going "Okay, you do know we're not stupid right?"