#ooc

Because “girls ruin everything.”

saw that one, too

Oy.

because if it was 'really bad" she would have reported to the police!

the ones who ask why she was there, was she was drinking, what was she wearing, why did she go to the room with them?

There's a right wing blindspot to cops that is scary as hell. For a group that doesn't trust the govt, they're awfully quick to assume police are paragons in all things. BUt that leads to another tangent

I can’t speak for anybody else, but this is the thinking I was raised with: Girls who get raped or assaulted were asking for it or we’re stupid and deserved it.

Yup

True re: cops.

They's teenaged boys, what do you EXPECT?

That’s the other thing, teenage boys are pre-disposed to rape. That’s the other fiction.

But Ford is a "liar" and a "piece of 💩 " because she doesn't know the address of the house!

Sex, yes. Rape, no.

BRB

See? There's one where I can speak with authority and personal experience. That 'Boys will be boys' shit....I WAS a teenage boy, and not only did I manage to NOT sexually assault a girl, to my knowledge those friends I knew, and even some JERKS I didn't like, somehow managed to go through junior and high school without oh I don't know, raping anyone!

So when some rapist asshole gets defended with "Boys will be boys" I want to say "You mean scum will be scum"

Sadly, Valley, I immediately wonder how many just didn’t get caught. Old thinking dies hard.

It's a bullshit excuse that sexual assault apologists use that I can call them out on

Entirely possible. But you know what I mean.

But yeah - I know many, many guys who have managed to go their whole lives without raping anyone!

I've had guys, when I was drunk and vulnerable, miraculously not hurt me. Imagine!

Oh, and it gets better. Women who weren’t sexually assaulted sometimes catch themselves wondering why not? Wasn’t I Attractive enough to be raped? How’s that for horrible conditioning.

See, that I admit to going "Do you watch the wrong movies or something? Your rom coms are fucked up"

So true!

Mind you, regular rom com movies often send some wrong lessons. Not sure how much that should be corrected. But guys at least are taught that persistence wins even for the unlovable nerd

When in RL it turns into stalking behavior

Right. And then you get Incels.

And while I love the 'Guy meets Girl, They squabble. Bad Guy goes after Girl. Guy beats up bad guy. Girl and Good GUy make out' stuff … sometimes I do worry that should come with a cigarette warning label. No one is anyone else's trophy, sorry kids.

Oh, I can count on one hand the number of times I've been catcalled - because no, I'm not a "hot girl"

incels are virulently hateful

Ok. I had to look Incels up

And this is coming from a 37-year-old virgin. Which I tend to keep very quiet about that.

What do you think of em, Mr D?

I certainly had no clue, Cat.

Me neither.

A big part of it is the HS. It's... pretty prohibitive.

First glance? "Redpill gone blackpill" might be a good way to sum it up.

Cat, I can understand.

Mr. D., yeah, they’re twisted.

Yeah, and at this point... well, lots of awkward, and it's a pretty big deal? So I just don't try to date anymore.

I'm not exactly awash in female carnal companionship, but that's on me and... without getting graphic, men have ways to relieve pressure. No woman owes me jack, no man either for that matter. And folks who think they deserve sex because otherwise is not fair are ..well, Im not a shrink, delusional is the word that comes to mind

So Incels are out there. Huh . I didn't know them by that name, and thank god, I don't know many.

Then again, I don't get out much so my contacts tend to be quality not quantity

A few of the mass shootings in recent years were incels getting revenge on women in general.

And on those who get to date them.

Getting into social expectations - there's the idea that a romantic relation is due to turn into a physical one within a reasonable window, outside of certain religious subcultures. So... yeah. And reading incel stuff where they talk about how awful women are? How even a "landwhale 2" thinks they deserve a "chad"?

It is not good for your mental health to wade into those spaces

Yeah, best avoided.

Nope. I have seen talk LIKE that, didn't know what the ugly subculture was called until now